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@tunguska true. you didn’t. I did. because of what your statements imply to me. Explicitly you seem to be saying that real name polices haven’t curbed abuse. To me this implies that curbing abuse is the goal.

Switching to language with active agency, that means those who abuse must be prevented or dissuaded from persisting in their abusive behaviors. This prevention or dissuasion is the punishment applied, at least that is how I understand it.

And I’m not aiming this comment at you \@tunguska, because we all do it, but the steady fading away of agency in our language, to formulate so many things directly under our control as if they were not under our control, under anyones control, like weather events—well, its' corrupting and diminishing to conceptualize our existence as merely reaction. The passivity is most cherished by those whose actions are obscured or completely invisible as a result.

@tunguska And you are right that I do often approach things from the wrong direction. It is revealing enough for me to keep doing it.

For example, most modern internet companies come into profit by convincing enough people they can be trusted, and then systematically breaking that trust.

[ edit: hyperbolic, hard pressed to back up with facts, huff and puff much? Obviously indefensible but it sure felt the opposite pounding on the glass. ]

I'm not bothered when people initially think I am not to be trusted because I present so many clichès indicating as much, but then come to understand that appearances are not identical with identity as they start hearing what I’m actually saying.

Other times they miss out.

@tunguska and you needn’t demonstrate cred through longevity ... remembering BTX and FIDOnet is more nostalgia than relevant research...

@tunguska the failure is perhaps in execution rather than policy. I still don’t see what you can propose to effect the justice you seem to desire that precludes knowing who you are punishing. Otherwise it's just hipster/hick human sacrifice.

@kissane, et al. The perpetual problem seems to me to be that digitalization requires explicit specificity (she liked me 277 times) while the analog world (that was "the" world until earlier this afternoon) well, you did not have to be specific about every thing, there is an undecided-ness to analog data and process (maybe she likes me).

And if I just need to go read a bunch of stuff before I have something to say worth your while, just tell me :-). I don’t enjoy explaining that authentication must be two-way street over and over, so....

@tunguska @kissane et al., how can anything like justice be dispensed in these domains if hard identity is abandoned? What does it matter to anyone what happens to \@grumpy69420 when tomorrow the same creative generator (human or otherwise) becomes \@yourmama007 and drives their shite zamboni around on the ice all over again, cuz, hey, what are you gonna do, ban my ascii-costume?

Individuals normally don’t have the resources or patience to sustain long term playing of these sorts of games, but machines do, and the corporations which own them profit from their doing it. Filtering out just these from the get go seems a step in the right direction, no?

@help, well, all the posts are back in the web UI, but still not on my site...is patience the answer?

@help, it’s all back.

(in the voice of E. Littela, via G. Radner) What’s all this I hear about seashell media!!! Shrimp have no use for stereo systems and—what? Oh...nevermind...

@help it seems the first 13 posts on the 11th show up in mobile app, but not on my site or the web timeline... :-( I thought there was someplace in the interface for me to regen the entire site but I can’t seem to find it, taking for granted that I haven’t mis-remembered, which isn’t a small grant.

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